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Re: McCorkell Robertson Doak connections
Posted by: David Boylan (ID *****3424) Date: November 25, 2007 at 08:41:04
In Reply to: McCorkell Robertson Doak connections by Susan Marshall of 1120

Hello Susan,

While I am not researching the McCorkel, Robertson, and Doak families, I did find some information about the children of Samuel Doak and Dorkus McCorkell.

For instance I located the civil birth indexes for six of their children at the Latter Day Saints (LDS) website at www.familsearch.org and also at the
Latter Day Saints British Isles Vital Records Index collection on CD ROM.

The birth indexes confirm your information that these families had lived in the civil parish of Burt.

The indexes are below, beginning with the 1865 birth of Mary Jane Doak:



MARY JANE DOAK
Female

Event(s):
Birth: 03 FEB 1865 0265, Burt And Inch And Upper Fahan, Donegal, Ireland

Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: SAMUEL DOAK
Mother: DORKUS MCCORKEL

Messages:
An extracted birth or christening record from Irish civil registration records. The place listed is the county,
registration district, and page number of the birth entry; it may not be the actual birthplace.

Source Information:
Batch No.: C701252
Date: 1865
Film Number: 0101101 = Quarterly returns of births in Ireland, General Register Office.
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The full birth record for Mary Jane can be found in LDS microfilm number 0101101. You can order this film from your local Family History Center.

Next is the birth index for Robert Doak:


ROBERT DOAK
Male


Event(s):
Birth: 05 MAY 1866 0197, Burt And Inch And Fahan, Donegal, Ireland

Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: SAMUEL DOAK
Mother: DORKUS MCCORKELL

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged
chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: C701287
Date: 1866
Film NUmber: 0101126 = Quarterly returns of births in Ireland, General Register Office.
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The full birth record for Robert can be found in LDS microfilm number 0101126.

Following is the 1868 birth index for Anne Doak, which comes from the British Isles Vital Records Index collection:


DOAK, Anne       
Birth
Gender:       Female
Birth Date: 16 Feb 1868       
Birthplace: 217, Burt Inch & Fahan, Don, Ire
Recorded in: Donegal, Ireland
Collection: Civil Registration
Father:       Samuel DOAK
Mother:       Dorkus MC CORKELL
Dates:       1868 - 1869
Source:       FHL Film 101161 = Quarterly returns of births in Ireland, General Register Office.
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Anne Doak's birth record can be found in LDS microfilm number 101161.

The 1870 birth index for Anne's sister Elizabeth is next:


Elizabeth Doak
Female

Event(s):
Birth: 10 FEB 1870 Burt Inch & Fahan, Don, Ire

Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: Samuel Doak
Mother: Dorcas McCorkell

Source Information:
Batch No.: C702517
Date: 1870
Film Number: 0101206 = Quarterly returns of births in Ireland, General Register Office.
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The full birth record for Elizabeth can be found in LDS microfilm number 0101206.

Next is the 1872 birth index for William Doak:


DOAK, William       
Birth
Gender:       Male
Birth Date: 17 Jan 1872       
Birthplace: 222, Burt Inch & Fahan, Don, Ire
Recorded in: Donegal, Ireland
Collection: Civil Registration
Father:       Samuel DOAK
Mother:       Dorkus MCCORKELL
Dates:       1872 - 1873
Source:       FHL Film 255841 = Quarterly returns of births in Ireland, General Register Office.
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William's full birth record can be found in LDS microfilm 255841.

The last birth index I found is for James:


James Doak
Male

Event(s):
Birth: 27 DEC 1873 Burt, Don, Ire

Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: Samuel Doak
Mother: Dorcus McCorkell

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged
chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: C701552
Date: 1874
Film Number: 0255894 = Quarterly returns of births in Ireland, General Register Office.
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The full birth record for James can be found in LDS microfilm number 0255894.

The LDS have not placed all of their birth, marriage, and death records online nor on the British Isles Vital Records Index CD ROM collection.
That is why perhaps the birth indexes for all the children of Samuel Doak and Dorcus McCorkell are not listed.

However, the General Register Office (GRO) in Roscommon Town holds civil registration birth, marriage, and death records for all Ireland for the 19th
century, including Londonderry. The birth records of the Doak children not shown above, but who were born after 1863, can be ordered from the GRO, as
it appears you have the birth years for them.

By way of explanation civil registration began in Ireland in 1845 with the recording of Protestant marriages. Civil registration of births, marriages,
and deaths for all religious denominations however, did not commence in Ireland until 1864.

This means if the Doak and McCorkell families were Roman Catholic, there would be no civil birth, marriage, or death records for them prior to 1864.

If Samuel Doak and Dorcus McCorkell were married after 1863, there may be a civil marriage record for them.

If you would like to order civil birth and marriage records, the GRO website has more information and application forms that you can fill in and send for
birth and marriage certificates.

The GRO website can be found at: http://www.groireland.ie/

The GRO birth application form can be found at: http://www.groireland.ie/docs/ApplicationforBirthCertificaterevised.pdf

The GRO marriage application form can be found at: http://www.groireland.ie/docs/Application%20for%20Marriage%20Certificate%20revised.pdf

These forms are in the PDF format, which means you will have to install Adobe Acrobat on your computer, if it isn't already.

The cost for each certificate is 10 Euros, which you can pay for by credit card if you do not live in Ireland.

If Samuel and Dorcus were married before 1864 and if any of their children were born before 1864, there would not be civil records of birth or marriage
available.

But, the marriage of Samuel and Dorcus, and the births of the Doak children may have been recorded by the local Church the families had attended.

According to a book by Brian Mitchell called "A Guide To Irish Parish Registers," the Catholic Parish of Burt, Inch & Fahan holds parish registers
beginning in 1856.

Mitchell's book also shows the Church of Ireland parish of Burt has records from 1802, while the Presbyterian Church holds registers from 1833.

What this further means is that not only would there not be civil records of birth for Dorcus and her parents, and Samuel and his parents, but there would
not be parish register baptisms for them if they attended the Burt Roman Catholic Church. Nor would there be parish register entries for the marriage of
Dorcus's and Samuel's parents in the Burt Catholic Church, as the registers do not go back far enough in time to have recorded these events.

I believe the Catholic Church for Burt is called St. Aegnus.

I am guessing that your Donegal ancestors were Roman Catholic. If they belonged to the Church of Ireland or Presbyterian Church, please let me know, as
much of the information that follows will concern the Catholic parish registers for Burt.

I went to the online version of the LDS Family History Library Catalog <http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp> to see if
the Burt, Inch & Fahan Catholic Church registers were microfilmed, and found they have not been.

This means you will have to contact the Donegal Ancestry Centre in Ramelton and engage a search of the Catholic parish registers for the marriage of
Dorcus and Samuel and the baptisms of their several children.

More information can be found at: http://www.donegalancestry.com/

Fees for research requests can be found at: http://www.donegalancestry.com/tracing_ancestors.php#costs

More information about tracing family history in Donegal can also be found at the Donegal Ancestry Centre link at:
http://www.donegalancestry.com/tracing_ancestors.php#source

To see a Roman Catholic parish map for Donegal, which includes the Burt parish, go to the Irish Times website link at:
http://www.ireland.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/donegalrc.htm

Concerning other records, I found a listing for a William McCorkle in an Irish property tax record known as Griffiths Valuation. Griffiths Valuation shows
that William McCorkle had leased property in the townland of Carrownamaddy, civil parish of Burt.

This may be a reference to Dorcus's father, though it is impossible to tell at this time if it is.

Griffiths Valuation was enumerated in the 32 counties of Ireland between the years 1847 and 1864. The valuation for County Donegal took place in 1857.

A transcription of Griffiths Valuation is below, based on a copy of the original found at the Origin.net subscription website:


Ord. S. 47
No. and Letters of Reference to Map: 2
Occupier: William McCorkle
Lessor: Joseph Dysert
Townland: Carrownamaddy
Parish: Burt
Barony: Inishowen, West
Poor Law Union: Londonderry
County: Donegal
Description of Tenement: House, Office, & Garden
Area of Land: 25 Perches
Rateable Annual Valuation of Land: 3 Shillings
Rateable Annual Valuation of Buildings: 17 Shillings
Total Annual Valuation of Rateable Property: 1 Pound
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Griffiths Valuation shows that William McCorkel leased a house, outbuilding (called an "Office"), and a garden from Joseph Dysert in Carrownamaddy.
The garden was valued at 3 shillings, while the house and outbuilding were worth 17 shillings.

The total value of house, outbuilding and garden came to 1 Pound.

An "Office," or outbuilding could be a structure such as a barn, stable, or blacksmith shop.

An absence of any land with the property indicates that William McCorkel may have been a tradesman or had earned a living in an occupation other than
farming.

The Ord. S. 47 coordinate at the top of the Griffiths entry refers to the location of Carrownamaddy in an Ordnance Survey Map of Donegal in the Lower
Inishowen Peninsula.

The number 2 under the "No. and Letters of Reference to Map" designation refers to the location of William's property in the townland of Carrownamaddy.

Again Susan, I can't say for sure this William McCorkel was Dorcus's father. If you order the LDS microfilms which contain the birth records for the
Doak children, see if the townland of Carrownamaddy is listed.

Or, if you order church baptism and marriage records from the Donegal Ancestry Centre, see if Carrownamaddy is listed as a townland where your ancestors
had lived within the Burt civil parish.

I also looked for any Doaks living in the civil parish of Burt, but didn't find any.

I did however, find Doaks living in the civil parish of Clondavaddog, which is located west across Lough Swilly from Burt, up near Fanad Head.

One of these Doaks is named Samuel.

I'm not sure if this Samuel may have been your Samuel, Samuel's father or grandfather, or no relation at all to your particular Doak ancestors.

Samuel is shown to be living in the townland Ballymagahy South, Clondavaddog civil parish.

Also living in Clondavaddog are David and Joseph Doak.

All three, Samuel, David, and Joseph are shown to have leased property from a man named Thomas Norman.

You can seee the location of the Clondavaddog parish on the map from the Irish Times website link:
http://www.ireland.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/donegalrc.htm

This map has the Catholic parish spelled as "Clondavadoc," but today the parish is called Tamney.

I next looked for Robertsons in Griffiths Valuation for the civil parish of Burt, but did not locate any in the parish of Burt or Clondavaddog.

Below is a description of the Burt civil parish from the 1837 edition of Lewis's Topographical Dictionary of Ireland. The Topographical Dictionary can
be accessed from the LibraryIreland website at: http://www.libraryireland.com/topog/index.php

BURT, a parish, in the barony of ENNISHOWEN, county of DONEGAL, and province of ULSTER, 6 miles (N. W.) from Londonderry; containing 3765 inhabitants.
This parish, which anciently formed part of the parish of Templemore, is situated on Lough Swilly, and comprises, according to the Ordnance survey,
10,672 1/2 statute acres. The living is a perpetual curacy, in the diocese of Derry, and in the patronage of the Dean, to whom the tithes are payable:
the curate's stipend is £100 per annum late currency, of which £75 is paid by the dean, and the remainder is advanced from the augmentation funds of
the Ecclesiastical Commissioners. The church, a neat small edifice, was built about a century since. There is no glebe-house. In the R. C. divisions
the parish forms part of the union or district of Iskahan, Burt, and Inch, and contains a chapel. There is also a place of worship for Presbyterians
in connection with the Synod of Ulster, of the first class. A parochial school, in which are about 40 boys and 4 girls, is supported by the Dean of Derry;
and there are three pay schools, in which are about SO boys and 30 girls, and three Sunday schools. On the shore of Lough Swilly are the ruins of the castle
of Burt, or Birt, erected by Sir Cahir O'Dogherty in the 15th century, consisting of a single tower, situated on a commanding eminence.
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Don't hesitate to write with any questions Susan.

Kind Regards,

Dave Boylan


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