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Re: MacNeil's and O'Handley's Boularderie/Boisdale
Posted by: Vincent MacNeil (ID *****2761) Date: May 02, 2008 at 18:54:55
In Reply to: Re: MacNeil's and O'Handley's Boularderie/Boisdale by sandra macneil of 2307

Hello Sandra,
I believe the O'Handley family that you descend from is on page 794 of To the Hill of Boisdale. You will see one Catherine listed there but there were actually two. I know that one of these Catherine's married a John MacNeil but I am having trouble with her because of a similar family in the Sydney Mines area and I can't sort this out.
Firstly, was your Catherine O'Handley born at Long Island or at Boisdale? These Catherine's lived at Long Island.
On the 7th of January, 1875 at St. Joseph's Church in North Sydney a John McNeil married Catherine O'Handley d/o Dougal O'Handley and Margaret O'Neil (I believe she was McNeil) of Boularderie. John and Catherine McIntosh stood for them. John's parents were not listed and I can not find this marriage in the NS vitals.
There was a John MacNeil from the Boisdale area who married a Sarah MacIntyre who was living in the Sydney Mines area. Sarah MacIntyre died young and he remarried a Catherine. I suspect he married a Catherine O'Handley (I could be wrong). I don't know for sure.

Name:       John MacNeil
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Birth:       abt 1843       Boisdale, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
Father:       Malcolm MacNeil
Mother:       Christiana MacNeil
Other Spouses:       Catherine "Kate" O'Handley (did he marry this Catherine?)
Marriage:       19 Oct 1869       North Sydney, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
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Spouse:       Sarah MacIntyre
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Birth:       abt 1851       Boularderie, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
Death:       29 Jan 1874       Sydney Mines, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
Father:       Malcolm MacIntyre
Mother:       Sarah

Children:
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1 M:       Murdock MacNeil
Birth:       abt 1870       Sydney Mines, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
Spouse:       Margaret Helen Collins
Marriage:       25 Nov 1896       Beverly, Mass.
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2 F:       Christina MacNeil
Birth:       abt 1872       Sydney Mines, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
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3 M:       Malcolm MacNeil
Birth:       Jan 1874       Sydney Mines, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
Death:       27 Jan 1874       Sydney Mines, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia


Notes for John MacNeil
Census Place: North, Sydney, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia, Canada Source: FHL Film 1375802 NAC C-13166 Dist 6 SubDist D Div 2 Page 52 Family 218 Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace
John MCNIEL M M 38 Scottish Nova Scotia
Cathern MCNIEL F M 39 Scottish Nova Scotia
Murdock MCNIEL M 10 Scottish Nova Scotia
Christina MCNIEL F 9 Scottish Nova Scotia
Douglas MCNIEL M 5 Scottish Nova Scotia
Sarrah MCNIEL F 3 Scottish Nova Scotia
Marget MCNIEL F Scottish Nova Scotia

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Last Modified:       2 May 2008
Created:       2 May 2008




The first three children above were from John's marriage to Sarah MacIntyre. The last three are from his wife Catherine. Now you see the names Dougal and Sarah (Just like your John and Catherine who you say had a Dougal and Sarah who died in infancy. I found a Dougal McNeil in the NS vitals born at Syndey Mines in 1875. His parents were given as John and Jane (O'Handley) MacNeil and they were married at Sydney Mines in January of 1875. I think this might have been the John and Catherine above (could Jane be a mistake?). In 1881 we have John with Catherine and a Dougal MacNeil born the correct time.

Are you sure the Douglas and Sarah that you have who died young aren't this Douglas and Sarah born to this other couple?

This is where I had placed the marriage record I found:

Name:       John MacNeil
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Birth:       abt 1843       Boisdale, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
Father:       Malcolm MacNeil
Mother:       Christiana MacNeil
Other Spouses:       Sarah MacIntyre
Marriage:       7 Jan 1875       North Sydney, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
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Spouse:       Catherine "Kate" O'Handley
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Birth:       abt 1845       Long Island, CB, NS
Father:       Dougald O'Handley (~1803-)
Mother:       Margaret "Peggy" MacNeil (~1811-)

Children:
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1 M:       Douglas MacNeil
Birth:       abt 1876
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2 F:       Sarah MacNeil
Birth:       abt 1878
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3 F:       Margaret MacNeil
Birth:       abt 1880       North Sydney, CB, NS
Spouse:       William H Earle
Marriage:       17 Nov 1909       North Sydney, CB, NS


Notes for John MacNeil
Census Place: North, Sydney, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia, Canada Source: FHL Film 1375802 NAC C-13166 Dist 6 SubDist D Div 2 Page 52 Family 218 Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace
John MCNIEL M M 38 Scottish Nova Scotia
Cathern MCNIEL F M 39 Scottish Nova Scotia
Murdock MCNIEL M 10 Scottish Nova Scotia
Christina MCNIEL F 9 Scottish Nova Scotia
Douglas MCNIEL M 5 Scottish Nova Scotia
Sarrah MCNIEL F 3 Scottish Nova Scotia
Marget MCNIEL F Scottish Nova Scotia


Notes for Catherine "Kate" O'Handley
These are likely the parents of Catherine.

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Last Modified:       2 May 2008
Created:       2 May 2008

Then we have your John MacNeil and Catherine O'Handley:

Name:       John D. MacNeil
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Birth:       abt 1847       Boularderie West, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
Death:       19 Feb 1929       Sydney, CB, NS
Father:       Donald MacNeil (~1805-)
Mother:       Ann MacDonald (~1811-)
Spouse:       Catherine "Kate" O'Handley
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Birth:       abt 1859
Death:       7 Feb 1901

Children:
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1 M:       Dougal MacNeil (Died as Infant)
Birth:       Dec 1875       Boularderie, CB, NS
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2 F:       Sarah MacNeil (Died as Infant)
Birth:       2 Jun 1878       Boularderie, CB, NS
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3 F:       Annie MacNeil
Birth:       9 Jun 1881       South Side Boularderie, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
Death:       4 Feb 1965       Sydney, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
Spouse:       Michael MacNeil
Spouse:       Alexander J. MacNeil
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4 M:       Donald "Daniel" MacNeil
Birth:       30 May 1883       Boularderie, CB, NS
Death:       18 Jan 1901       Boularderie, CB, NS
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5 F:       Catherine "Katie" MacNeil
Birth:       1 Mar 1885       Boularderie West, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
Death:       31 Dec 1968       Ross' Ferry, CB, NS
Spouse:       John "Eoin" MacDonald
Marriage:       27 Feb 1911       Little Bras d'Or, CB, NS
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6 F:       Maryann MacNeil
Birth:       26 Apr 1890       Boularderie, CB, NS
Death:       26 Jul 1986       Orange Co. California
Spouse:       John Michael Gillis
Marriage:       28 Sep 1920       St. Joseph's, Little Bras d'Or, CB, NS
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7 M:       Donald "Daniel" "Dan Martin" MacNeil
Birth:       22 Oct 1893       Boularderie, CB, NS
Death:       4 Mar 1991       Carlton Place, Ontario
Spouse:       Catherine King
Marriage:       23 Feb 1914       Sydney Mines, CB, NS
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8 M:       Neil Joseph "Neil Joe" MacNeil
Birth:       30 Oct 1895       Boularderie, CB, NS
Death:       7 Sep 1972
Spouse:       Mary "Mammie" MacDonald
Marriage:       15 Jun 1920       Sydney, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
Spouse:       Annie Tridenick
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9 M:       Angus MacNeil
Birth:       20 Jul 1900       Boularderie, CB, NS
Death:       17 Jan 1969       Habourview Hospital, Sydney Mines, Cape Breton, nova Scotia
Spouse:       Mary Pembroke?

Notice the names of the first couple of children.

I placed this marriage based on the fact that we have a John with these three children from Ms. McIntyre who died in 1874. He remarries in 1875, has three more children with an O'Handley and then the names Dougal and Sarah.

Now, to make matters worse we have a third Catherine O'Handley from Long Island born about 1855. She also married a MacNeil and had a son named Douglas (maybe a form for Dougal?).

Her death record does not list her parents' names. So we have another Catherine O'Handley:

Name:       Michael R. MacNeil
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Birth:       abt 1852       Long Island, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
Occupation:       carpenter
Father:       Roderick "Ur" MacNeil (~1831-)
Mother:       Margaret Steele (~1831-)
Marriage:       abt 1883
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Spouse:       Catherine "Kate" O'Handley
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Birth:       6 May 1855       Long Island, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
Death:       31 Jan 1939       Sydney Mines, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
Father:       Dougald O'Handley (~1803-)
Mother:       Margaret "Peggy" MacNeil (~1811-)

Children:
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1 M:       John MacNeil "Jack" "Scotch"
Birth:       abt 1884       Long Island, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
Spouse:       Mary Ann Gillis
Marriage:       24 Jun 1914       Sydney Mines, CB, NS
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2 M:       Hugh MacNeil
Birth:       abt 1886       Long Island, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
Spouse:       Elizabeth "Lizzie" MacCormack
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3 F:       Margaret MacNeil
Birth:       17 Jul 1888       Long Island, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
Death:       9 Nov 1981
Spouse:       Donald Anthony MacNeil
Marriage:       6 Nov 1907       Sydney Mines, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
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4 M:       Douglas MacNeil
Birth:       abt 1890       Long Island, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
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5 F:       Mary Margaret "Maggie" MacNeil
Birth:       20 Oct 1893       Sydney Mines, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
Death:       19 Sep 1969
Spouse:       James "Jim" Higgins
Marriage:       27 Jan 1920       Sydney Mines, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
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6 F:       Mary Ann "Babe" MacNeil
Birth:       20 Mar 1895       Long Island, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
Death:       21 Apr 1962
Spouse:       Charles Edward Bown
Marriage:       24 Jun 1914       Sydney Mines, CB, NS


Notes for Michael R. MacNeil
Census of 1901 Sydney Mines:
30 244 McNeil Michael R M Head M Aug 20 1850 50
31 244 McNeil Kate F Wife M Sep 1855 45
32 244 McNeil John M Son S Jun 20 1884 16
33 244 McNeil Hugh M Son S Jun 20 1886 14
34 244 McNeil Margaret F Daughter S Jul 20 1888 12
35 244 McNeil Maggie F Daughter S Oct 20 1893 7
36 244 McNeil Mary A F Daughter S Mar 20 1895 5

Can you sort this out? What do you think?

Vince





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